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  • nathanddrews - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    Pretty sure this is just "HDR" combining multiple exposures like my smartphone does, but in real time. It's not the same as HDR found in new games, UHD Blu-ray, Netflix, etc. I would love to be corrected though.
  • fanofanand - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    HDR certainly has become a convoluted technology with all of the variations involved. I believe nathanddrews is correct, I highly doubt a $200 webcam is going to have the ability to shoot in wide color gamut with 1000+nit brightness. Even Samsung's "Premium HDR" doesn't have a wide color gamut nor does it have the required brightness. Now they have "HDR 1000" which is what HDR was supposed to be in the first place. All this nonsense has forced me to put off a TV purchase for 2 years now, maybe 2017 will be the year they get their act together.
  • edzieba - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    "I highly doubt a $200 webcam is going to have the ability to shoot in wide color gamut with 1000+nit brightness."

    Dynamic Range has no inherent link to colour gamut or absolute illumination levels. Conflating these will only lead to confusion.
  • nathanddrews - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    Point being that HDR is a buzzword that can sell products to the right audience. Going only by what Logitech has officially stated on its website about this device, it is not the same HDR we see in any of the new HDR standards, whether it's HDR10, HLG, or Dolby Vision. Going by the information provided in the PR and what's on the box, this camera will combine multiple exposures to brighten dark areas and dim bright areas to "compress" into an SDR video stream - which is literally the exact opposite of what "real" HDR does.

    I'm hoping Logitech will clear this up and release more details. Better yet, I hope Anandtech gets one and tests it thoroughly. :-D
  • ddriver - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    You can achieve HDR even with the crappiest imaging sensor in existence, it is a simple matter of processing the signal. There is no magic to it, the most expensive professional HDR capable cameras do it the same way. I am not saying that this will do actual HDR, as in output high dynamic range video, it will probably be the same trash every other logitech webcam has been with pathetic software gimmicks to go with it. Actual cost - about 20$ at best, the rest you pay for the brand.
  • Murloc - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    Compressing it afterwards or not is meaningless in the case of a webcam because most people will compress the range since the point of this is using it as a webcam.
    Still, it's real HDR imaging, the effect of shadows not being so dark anymore is a clear advantage.
  • nathanddrews - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    Didn't say it was meaningless, just that it's not creating an HDR video stream. What I am saying is that if this works the same way that the HDR mode on my camera works, then it's just an SDR representation of multiple exposure levels. This is no different than when Half Life 2 introduced HDR Rendering to games by brightening dark areas and darkening bright areas - it's not real HDR.
  • niva - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    So you're not saying anything at all, because you really don't know how it works, or exactly what they implemented. You're just guessing.

    Carry on now.
  • nathanddrews - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    I'm saying quite a bit, but yes, an educated guess is still a guess.
  • bigboxes - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    Oh, come on now. Exactly how many hardware reviews do you see on the new AnandTech these days? Don't hold your breath.
  • Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    Most webcams for twitch streamers are running at like 256x256. lol. What purpose does a 4K webcam serve, besides maybe camgirls? But there is no way anyone is actually going to be able to stream at 4K any time this decade.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    People living in modern world western countries (read not the US), eastern european countries, and many up and coming asian countries have access to much faster upload speeds then the US does.
  • haukionkannel - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    This also has good quality sensors, so even the p720 is much better quality than most 20$ webcams.
    I personally have old Logitech 9000 and it has been a worth of its high cost! I really shines out in videoconferencing apps.
  • bumbalard - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    I can stream 4K today, in the US.

    Also I can attest to the fact that most twitch streamers are using 720p30 Logi c920 cams that are scaled down.
  • JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link

    I'm wondering how this compares to a 1080p action cam ($85 Xiaomi Yi) or camcorder connected via hdmi capture card ($60 EVGA UVPlus+ 39).

    The form factor of webcams has never been very friendly towards image quality, and I think people forget that you can get high quality live feed to a PC with a decent action cam/camcorder and a HDMI capture device.
  • jabber - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link

    " Logitech also lists a physical external privacy shutter on the feature set" So they couldn't just put a plastic lens cover slider into it that also cuts off or covers the mic too? I guess its a cheap bit of plastic you have to find in the desk to cover over the whole unit. If you haven't lost it 20 minutes after unpacking it. Genius.
  • Beaver M. - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link

    Very nice! They seem to have fixed everything I criticized about the C920/C930e I wrote in my several reviews about them.
    Now the only question is if its a VFR or CFR camera, because if its VFR, like the C930e, its useless. But my hopes are high, since most Streamers use CFR, and it would be stupid to do a VFR camera for them.
  • imaheadcase - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link

    I'm confused with camera sensors. How come they don't have this type of sensor in say security cameras? Most modern security cameras have terrible terrible cameras that come with them.

    I was doing research on getting a few for a parking lot, turns out the sensors used in them are pretty much all made my Sony and even modern ones day to early 2000s?! I took apart a brand new Amcrest 1080p camera that retails around $100, the complete parts are like $20 if you bought online.

    I got the Arlo cameras for parking lot, even as one of the best sellers, it is pretty terrible in quality video. I for one would rather have overkill with it comes to security camera than "just gets a picture".
  • imaheadcase - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link

    Since you can't edit, i forgot to say DON'T GET A AMCREST. They pretty much pay for all the amazon reviews you see, that is the only reason they are always top recommended. They are terrible cameras with equally terrible support.

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